Gross Originates from Subtle
By Admin on Dec 14, 2009 | In Soul (atma), Origin of Life, Origin of Universe, Evolution Theory, Darwin, Vedanta
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Dear Anshul Singh:
Thank you for sharing with us some interesting scientific comments.
You said "The core problem seams to be the in-ability of modern science to:
(A) To prove the origin of living entities (Characterized by certain characteristics).
(B) To prove the dynamics of living entities.
Now to prove this we need to show the creation of life by simulating the time evolution of our universe."
Our Reply: Simulation is the imitation of some real thing, state of affairs, or process. The act of simulating something generally entails representing certain key characteristics or behaviors of a selected physical or abstract system.[1] Steve Olson, author of Mapping Human History says: "Imagine that you place a 1-inch-wide black cube in an empty field. Suddenly the cube makes copies of itself - two, four, eight, 16. The proliferating cubes begin to form structures - enclosures, arches, walls, tubes. Some of the tubes turn into wires, PVC pipes, structural steel, wooden studs. Sheets of cubes become wallboard and wood paneling, carpet and plate-glass windows. The wires begin connecting themselves into a network of immense complexity. Eventually, a 100-story skyscraper stands in the field.
That's basically the process a fertilized cell undergoes beginning with the moment of conception. How did that cube know how to make a skyscraper? How does a cell know how to make a human (or any other mammal)?"[2]
Some one can show by computer simulation that from a 1-inch-wide black cube 100-story skyscraper emerged but in reality we know what is needed to come up with a 100-story skyscraper. Similarly it may be possible to show some computer simulation results on creation of life in future, but can be expect by that we can create life. Actually a 100-story skyscraper was in the mind of an architect and what we see in reality is a manifestation of the thought of that architect as a 100-story skyscraper. Calculators and computers are nothing but an abstraction of the thoughts of the personality who manufactured them for his/her comfort. That doesn't mean that they produce or become a living personality.
Srila Bhakti Raksak Sridhar Dev-Goswami Maharaja mentioned in the book Subjective Evolution of Consciousness that "How can we know beforehand that in a laboratory, combining hydrogen and oxygen - two gases - will produce water? Only when one comes to a particular stage of scientific knowledge can he know that a more subtle thing like gas can produce a tangible material thing like water. In that way, when you have an idea of the higher substance, then you can understand how from the subtle, the gross has originated. ... It is not that a lower thing can produce a higher thing, but it is easy for a higher thing to produce something lower. This is not difficult to understand.
The modern scientific position is saying basically that stone can produce soul; but why not consider that soul can produce stone? We have to inquire about that process - how the soul can produce stone. But we have done away with that and instead we say that stone is gradually producing soul - we are very fond of investigating in that line. Why? The subtle should be given more importance than the gross."[3]
Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada says "... they (Scientists) must explain the origin of the chemicals. Anyone can see that an ordinary tree is producing many chemicals. But how does it produce them? Since the scientists cannot answer this, they must accept that the living force has mystic power. I cannot even explain how my fingernail is growing out of my finger; it is beyond the power of my brain. In other words, my fingernail is growing by inconceivable potency, acintya-sakti."[4]
You have also mentioned that "Why we are unable to do such a simulation? the reason is that our computing power is not even capable to do time evolution of even a couple of particles interacting with a simple force." Time evolution has nothing to do with generation of life from matter. Can we expect in billions of years chemicals/dead- matter become a living entity? No, they remain chemicals/dead-matter. But when soul is present within a fertilized cell then it can become a particular living specie only within a few days/weeks. The origin of everything is conscious being (janmadyasya yatah).[5] The conclusion of Vedic teachings: 'life comes from life' and 'matter comes from life' should be studied scientifically to develop a proper understanding on 'origin of matter' and 'origin of life.'
I also take this opportunity to request group members to share some scientific explanation about 'What is Time?' Is there any existing scientific theories that explain 'What is Time'?
Thanking you.
Sincerely,
Sushen Krishna das
References:
[1] Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation
[2] Refer: https://www.socialtext.net/wired-mag/index.cgi?how_does_a_fertilized_egg_become_a_human
[3] Sridhar, B. R. (1989) Subjective Evolution of Consciousness. Published by Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math, Kolerganj, P.O. Box Nabadwip, Dist. Nadia, W. Bengal Pin 741302, India (see page 20 in www.scsmath.com/books/Subjective_Evolution.pdf.)
[4] Bhaktivedanta, A. C. (1979) Life Comes From Life. Published by the BBT press, Los Angeles, Ca.
[5] Vedanta-sutra 1.1.2
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